Monday, August 22, 2011

Debate on Annette Sykes- Maori Seeking Separation


Annette Sykes
Minto: yes a separate Maori Parliament could easily be accomodated in the constitutional arrangements of this country
Sunday at 6:23am via mobile ·  · 
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    • Kane Davis i looooove this idea! : )
      Sunday at 6:26am · 
    • Alvina Ropata Edwards absolutely Annette we already have parallel systems working although sometimes not separate completely.
      Sunday at 6:29am · 
    • Geraint Scott Would a Maori parliament be completely separate or somehow integrated? Also, would it have all the same powers as central Government, such as authority over local Government, or only the larger portfolios such as education? Just trying to understand the logistics of it :)
      Sunday at 6:30am ·  ·  4 people
    • Mervyn Taueki-Ransom He was articulate alright, without dodging the questions like most interviewed. And he didn't sell Maori out to make the interview easier for himself/more palatable to the viewers
      Sunday at 6:44am ·  ·  4 people
    • Wiremu Cooper Maybe back in the 50s 60s yes at this moment we have to many foriegn influences could be disastrous for the economy.
      Sunday at 6:48am · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru When you're moving through an occupied territory, since when was it a good idea to stop a perfectly good vehicle, to get into another one, when all the fuel is in the one you're leaving?
      Sunday at 7:08am · 
    • Lenny Falwasser Who's economy Wiremu ? Foreigners don't care who they deal with as long as they get there dividends. And they don't tour here to come and see something they can see in Britain or Europe. They want to see things Maori.
      Sunday at 7:08am ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Why? That's a racist structure which is exactly what John Minto protested against
      Sunday at 7:21am ·  ·  1 person
    • Shannon Anahera White Yes a separate Maori Parliment....because this parliment isnt working for maori....its not racists its accommodating tangata whenua the indigenous of this land. You cant put pakeha in a maori enviroment and them fend for themselves, maori have done it for the last 100years ....swim in our world baldheads or drown...either or
      Sunday at 7:25am ·  ·  3 people
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Interesting to see Minto was at the front of anti apartheid in South Africa- but now the boot is on the other foot and whites are being persecuted in SA and other African nations he is silent- why ? Sure what went on in SA was bad- but what is now happening is bad- so why be silent at only one type of bad?
      Sunday at 7:35am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I often think about the story of the angry wolf. The story goes a man was walking through the Alaskan forest when an angry wolf began growling behind him. He tried walking away but the wolf came in closer so the man decided if he gave the wolf his lunch the wolf would be happy. It appeared to work and off the walker went leaving the wolf to chomp the food down. But a short while later the man heard more growling and when he looked around there was no one but many hungry wolves and sadly the reality was he could not feed them all so they ate him.
      Sunday at 7:37am ·  ·  2 people
    • Shannon Anahera White and the moral to your story being?...bring back canablism!...what?
      Sunday at 7:44am · 
    • Heeni-Jayne Ranginui Stuff are complicated already, and it will work against Mana. The time for seperatism has run out. Mana need as much people on board as they can to focus on developing a fairer and caring society and appear to be looking that way inclined, not confrontations of divisions. I think Mana has to come from the higher moral ground.......
      Sunday at 7:56am ·  ·  1 person
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru xx

      Ignore Wingate, enter his mindset and you'll get deafened by the echo.

      He doesn't believe proliferation of the monoculture of Aotearoa is racist, and the country maintains a predominantly racist culture. He believes you should ask him about these issues and not those affected. White supremacist construct.

      I do believe you don’t abandon a sound vehicle because the majority of the inhabitants are paru, you kick the mongrels out and teach them to walk until they demonstrate they are fit to ride in the car!

      If your cause is just, and you apply yourself diligently, inevitably you will prevail. We owe it to the next generations, and their tupuna before them.

      “Peace is not the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice.”

      Dr Martin Luther King Jr

      Kia kaha!

      xx
      Sunday at 7:58am ·  ·  5 people
    • Pare Jonathan Why Chritsopher???because the poly's today care not for Maori and its situation with the unemployed plus,..they target the minority any whichway to get your votes..time for Iwi and Kiwi to form our own..
      Sunday at 8:13am ·  ·  2 people
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Who really believes that leadership based on race rather than skill is the answer? So many people rely on investment advisors- bankers-lawyers-politicians- the fiduciaries to guide them right...again...that is why you will always here me repeat- we need fiduciary law. That will sort out idiots in power. Which part of that do you not understand?
      Sunday at 8:21am ·  ·  1 person
    • Pare Jonathan Of couse,i agree with you, but have our leader's taken notice? ive read of many who want our fiduciaries and judiciaries implemented...still no movement and to be honest i dont think it can happen the way the wheels are turning politically..so maybe some changes are in the pipeline..Kia Ora.-
      Sunday at 8:32am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Well I have yet to see any political party make fiduciary law party policy. The talk above is about Maori having their own management yet in my years of dealing with various Maori structures I have never seen fiduciary type standards upheld. When people have gone there to address a problem of governance they are told to sit down or leave. Sure the crown does the same and that has been my complaint against them. New Zealand has too many stupid people in positions of influence who have the right to talk, but the right to hide when challenged, leaving New Zealand the liability of stupidity.
      Sunday at 9:01am ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate So how does fairness occur in a democracy when you have crown and judicial immunity to block complaints the crown and its officials have failed? With Maori structures you have exactly the same rules- which is poor accountability.
      Sunday at 9:03am ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate One of the things that’s most troubling to the New Zealand people is there seems to be very little accountability- if any at all. From those who drove and continue to drive our nation downhill, the big financial institutions, the politicians, the lawyers and the regulators who fail their jobs and their duty of care. And so while they all sit on their piles of cash the ordinary people are paying the price, and they are millions of kiwi who have few jobs and those who do suffer poor wages, many have lost their homes and must rent at prices that equal their wages, the families who can't afford power, gas, food or even put petrol into their car. And lets not forget the 232,000 mums and dads who lost their life savings with shonky investment banks. The failure to punish white collar criminals and fiduciary failings creates incentives for more economic and fiduciary crimes and further destruction of the economy in the future. The damage that has been done to New Zealand has been staggering and it is only getting worst. How will the Mana party address these problems?
      Sunday at 9:14am ·  ·  1 person
    • Pare Jonathan Of course its the Poly;s who have always been ignorant and dominant to Maori since they signed te Tiriti and more of less changed the rules against Maori taking away our Mana as our own Tinorangatira and Leadership self Rule..The Mari version of te tiriti is the truer version..but that was diregarded hence alot taken. from Tribal Leaders..We aint out yet..Mana is on the move as this Govt.is trying to move forward under heavy debts created by their peers..Maori still have assets and no debts..but thatsanother story..meanwhile watch the debt buiders falter..
      Sunday at 9:25am · 
    • Pare Jonathan builder,s falter..
      Sunday at 9:26am · 
    • Pare Jonathan Unenployment causes debts and will crash..look @ overseas andsee thereal picture..
      Sunday at 9:29am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I agree re the debt- but what caused the debt ? As for looking back agreements signed between the Crown of England and Maori where are the complaints directly aimed at them. Myself of my grand father who arrived in 1930's they or any of the other whiteys in NZ- they had nothing to do with issues dated way back then. NZ is a democracy and as such the people vote for politicians to run the nation. I simply don't understand why so many Maori complain and suggest pakeha oppress Maori ? Like where- how- what laws- explain please someone in detail. I grew up in Rotorua had the same houses- same welfare- same education- same ability to make choices - so where is the racism and oppression ?
      Sunday at 9:31am · 
    • Pare Jonathan We laughed @ Key speaking @ te Koroneihana trying to pull the wool over Maori in front of Tuheitia and the top Leaders..thinks he's speaking to uneducated kids,,lolz..
      Sunday at 9:32am ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I just logged onto the te Koroneihana site and did the test- I got 70% the certificate is on my page of my pass
      Sunday at 9:44am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=te-koroneihana
      Te Koroneihana
      www.proprofs.com
      Test your knowledge about te Kingitanga and nga ahuatanga o te Koroneihana.
      Sunday at 9:45am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2256872430098&set=a.1385710211587.54029.1496977348&type=1&ref=nf
      Wall Photos
      And they gave this idiot a Knighthood- Sir David Baragwanath
      Sunday at 9:50am · 
    • Pare Jonathan Grt stuff Chris..Being one of the many who whakapapa to kingitanga, im well aware of our History, but good on you..
      Sunday at 9:51am ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I korero the good and the bad of each race- both have great good and great bad in their culture and history. This nation where we all stand te whenua is for us the tangata whenua- pakaha and Maori. And stupidity and faults I have learnt is not race specific- it is a human problem- hence the need for fiduciary law.
      Sunday at 10:02am ·  ·  1 person
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru xx

      Christopher wrote: “I often think about the story of the angry wolf. The story goes a man was walking through the Alaskan forest when an angry wolf began growling behind him. He tried walking away but the wolf came in closer so the man decided if he gave the wolf his lunch the wolf would be happy. It appeared to work and off the walker went leaving the wolf to chomp the food down. But a short while later the man heard more growling and when he looked around there was no one but many hungry wolves and sadly the reality was he could not feed them all so they ate him.”

      And the moral of the story is Maori, don’t settle for pork chops when you’re entitled to prime beef. No cold cuts, when there’s poisson du jour on the table!

      Wingate, if you had the slightest understanding of the universal principles of the science of management, you would recognise that ethical integrity can be taught, monitored, and legislated, but is entirely unenforceable of the requirement of it’s virtue and balance of goodwill. We’re people, not automatons. Just because your culture retains mistrust and deceit as a central feature, doesn’t follow it’s representative of the majority of the peoples of the world.

      So you don’t get to be Maori just because you can pass a quiz you insulting arsehole, and when you go to the wananga to learn some common sense, take your mate Pare with you. For that you are a part of the peoples of Aotearoa, and haven’t the vaguest idea of the indigenous people of the country, realises your ethical responsibility to go and learn, instead of haranguing us with your mindless ignorant bullshit. A northern hemisphere wolf stole your lunch? A likely story!

      xx
      Sunday at 10:31am · 
    • Aindriu Macfehin I fully agree with the idea of a seperate, although I think seperate is the wrong word, Maori government. In fact, it is not for me to agree or disagree it is already enshrined in the treaty but not implemented. I understand a lot of your concerns chris. My ancestors arrived after the treaty but being here at all is contingent on the treaty. If it wasn't for the treaty our being here would not have happened in the same way. The british didn't win any war here. The parties came to an agreement. Time doesn't change the contract. But your social concerns are felt by all parties in this country that have been ignored and I don't think it helps to ignore either side. But what John Minto is talking about would aid the addressing of those issues not hinder them. Some people say there is no right or left but we have seen what happens when you sit down with the devil. Same old same old. I say, give it a chance and lets all of us keep our eyes open.
      Sunday at 10:41am ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Quote for the day is directed to Hoeroa Robert Marumaru "My god you are a racist fuckwit"
      Sunday at 11:22am · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru xx

      Who the hell are you Andriu, you redneck anthropologist, to be acknowledging this bigot when he repetitively demonstrates the most fundamental insults to Maori by his abject ignorance? Where the fuck is the “fiduciary” justice from him, you, and Pare, in this discourse? Treat Maori as dumbarses and doormats at your peril white trash!

      Our right to a parliament may be in Te Tiriti, but how do we observe its respect from our ‘partner,’ when they have never demonstrated it? And what the hell are you rednecks doing telling Maori how their Parliament should be implemented?

      I’ve got my eyes vigilant, Maori have no option. If you’ve got a link to the wolf pack he was rabbiting on about, give it up. I reckon they’ve probably got first jurisdiction for questions they’ll want to ask this arrogant prick!

      Maori, don’t take this shit from these arseholes, they are infiltrating the page as it gets closer to the election.

      xx
      Sunday at 11:25am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate You know Robert- you quote a few copied things I know that because clearly your brain could not think up such writings. Underlying your front is sheer ignorance, apathy and bigotry- What has been your career Robert- my money is on that your career would no doubt read that of a classic idiot stirrer lazy bludger racist fool.Prove me wrong lets see your career
      Sunday at 11:33am · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I am waiting for you Hoeroa Robert Marumaru- lets see your illustrious career
      Sunday at 12:19pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru xx

      Christopher wrote: “Quote for the day is directed to Hoeroa Robert Marumaru "My god you are a racist fuckwit.”

      And this redneck dickhead would have you believe he actually knows the difference.

      Typical racist bullshit, when they are defeated in the debate because their position is demonstrated illegitimate, that is they can’t argue the facts, because of the illegitimacy of their position, they revert to villifying their opposition, and you may observe, using the same tired old cliches identifying Maori as worthless bums.

      That’s when you know they’re finished, kaput!

      xx
      Sunday at 12:21pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece
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      Sunday at 12:24pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru Hey Wingate, if you claim I copy the substance of my comments, you won't have any problem demonstrating that will you?
      Sunday at 12:26pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I simply put a link up- you really are a moron
      Sunday at 12:27pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru What, no delivery? because you're the scumbag aren't you?
      Sunday at 12:27pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Still waiting for your CV
      Sunday at 12:28pm · 
    • Aindriu Macfehin Hello Hoeroa. I meant no offense. I was just replying to words with words. Words are strange things, on this forum you can't see the person who is using them. If I offended you by joining in this discussion I apologise.
      Sunday at 12:29pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I meant all the offense I could deliver to that fool
      Sunday at 12:30pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru xx

      @Andriu - if you understand anthropology as you indicate on your profile page, you would recognise when ignorance is clearly demonstrated from one culture to another. But when that ignorance becomes arrogance by its unfettered and adamant repetition, aided and abetted by a cultural dumbarse I concede, however you should have no difficulty as an anthropologist, identifying that arrogance and contempt.

      Especially when suggested by the perpetrator is their blatant, if deceptive, claim to cultural understanding, because they scored reasonably in a quiz on the culture they are offending?

      Therefore, that such prejudice should be readily observed by you as someone indicating their understanding as an anthropologist, you are either a fraud, or retain a hidden agenda. For you should also be aware, this offence is not just against me, but my entire culture.

      @Wingate - you got nowhere to go have you bullshit brain. Your mindless illegitimate crap is comprehensively defeated. Piss off creep!

      xx
      Sunday at 1:03pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Still waiting for your CV- you expect people to listen to your rant and crap yet fail to show where that crap has got you in life- still waiting to see your career
      Sunday at 1:27pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru Yeah typical redneck, believe they are born with the right to command Maori anytime they feel like it. Keep coming Wingate.
      Sunday at 1:38pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate What ever makes you think I want to command Maori ? Where does your idiot brain think these things up ?
      Sunday at 2:29pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru ‎"Prove me wrong lets see your career." - Yes Bwana!
      Sunday at 3:07pm · 
    • Mariee Leef all is possible
      Sunday at 3:47pm · 
    • Pare Jonathan ‎@ Aindria,, Dont bother explaining to te koretake hoeroa,,it insults anyone who goes against its koreo e hoa,,just a faceless with words who thinks its got the solutions and the rest on FB are dumn or stupid..we can read between its lines..arrodance fits like a glove..
      Sunday at 3:51pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru Yeh Pare, we'll see what yoiu have to say in front of the iwi, when they find you've been sucking up to bigots to big note yourself. If you have to be a dumbarse, try the chat pages.
      Sunday at 4:03pm · 
    • Taylor Glen There should also be more emphasis on marae justice as the pakeha justice system is having an adverse effect on maori in prison, it's not working and never will.
      Sunday at 4:03pm · 
    • Pare Jonathan ‎@ Chris , quote for the day,,fit the other glove..rite on there..
      Sunday at 4:05pm · 
    • Pare Jonathan with no punches just a koretake faceless.mut.
      Sunday at 4:06pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru Hey Pare, is there anything you have to say on Fbk apart from yes bwana?
      Sunday at 4:07pm · 
    • Pare Jonathan faceless shadow got no mana..hides in a land not its own..whatamut..
      Sunday at 4:11pm · 
    • Pare Jonathan hang on,!! i'd say a mut does some good, it begs, ,but a mongrel!!!..
      Sunday at 4:14pm · 
    • Taylor Glen Lot of frustration breeds a lot of frustration, my motto, agree to disagree.
      Sunday at 4:23pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Hoeroa Robert Marumaru you can read about my career here- http://www.med.govt.nz/upload/70165/37.PDF
      Sunday at 4:24pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate and here-http://www.nzherald.co.nz/inspired-people/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501798&objectid=10534388
      Chris Wingate - A Kiwi in Australia - Inspired People - NZ Herald News
      www.nzherald.co.nz
       
      Sunday at 4:25pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate 
      Married 26 years, 4 wonderful kids. Lived in Aust NZ Vancouver and Hawaii. 1997 funded Auckland school kid Scott Dixon to race Formula Holden then 98 set up Scott Dixon Motorsport to fund Scott's racing career.In 2003 Dixon won the Indy Rac...See More
      Sunday at 4:26pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate So Hoeroa Robert Marumaru your turn- lets see what you have done to earn you big mouth
      Sunday at 4:27pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Pare Jonathan I'd say one thing more, My place of birth, (Rotorua) sure has alot of smart and cler peeps, Aye Annette..Lol.
      Sunday at 4:34pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Pare Jonathan clever..
      Sunday at 4:35pm · 
    • Lenny Falwasser Chris the black man will never forget 400 plus years of misery at the hands of the white man. That is the legacy your forefathers left you. Nothing you can do about it. Thats why the white man can't get Mugabe out of Zimbabwe. The Black nations will rise up. Lets turn a blind eye on the happenings over there shall we...for 400 years.
      Sunday at 4:37pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate You talk about white man rule as if its horror- what are you talking about. As for Zimbabwe- that is a hell hole now it has black control- went from the most productive nation in Africa to its poorest.Add to that human rights abuses the place is now a human rights hole. 400 hundred years of misery- where- explain how- show me the research material
      Sunday at 4:46pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Rotorua is a fantastic city loaded with great people- beautiful scenery - the best city I have ever been to anywhere in the world
      Sunday at 4:47pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Zimbabwe
      Human rights in Zimbabwe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      There are widespread reports of systematic and escalating violations of human ri...See More
      Sunday at 4:50pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cameroon
      Human rights in Cameroon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      Human rights in Cameroon are addressed in the constitution. However, the 2009 Hu...See More
      Sunday at 4:51pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Eritrea
      Human rights in Eritrea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      Human rights in Eritrea are viewed as poor.[1]Eritrea is a one-party state in wh...See More
      Sunday at 4:52pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Ethiopia
      Human rights in Ethiopia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      According to the U.S. Department of State's human rights report for 2004 and sim...See More
      Sunday at 4:53pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Africa and the list goes on and on
      Human rights in Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      Human rights as a legal concept is a relatively recent notion in Africa. The Uni...See More
      Sunday at 4:54pm · 
    • Pare Jonathan My Parents were the best i could ask for..they not only made sure i was well provide for and which tribe my life Partner came from, but left us with a title to Rotorua City shares and its Beautiful surounds right up to the Green/Bluelakes and little Islands..Grt memo,s comes from there..
      Sunday at 5:00pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Ae so true- I just had 11 weeks back in NZ and Rotorua was wonderful- did the thermal water almost everynight- walked the parks and forests everyday- swam the lakes early in the morning mist even when it was cold- I just loved it so very much- Rotorua is simply the best
      Sunday at 5:02pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Pare Jonathan Kia ora e hoa,, enjoy and make the most of it..we often travel home to soak our ageing tinana and its so refreshing..back there next month..
      Sunday at 5:07pm ·  ·  2 people
    • Pare Jonathan Will be back there i meant,,chatting to my moko,s they want to come as well with their mates..All welcome i say.
      Sunday at 5:19pm · 
    • Tame Affectivision 
      I know at the end of the day, the Great Council of Chiefs (the GCC) which embodied the concept of indigenous paramountcy, or a separate National-Fijian Government for the Fijians, when Fiji was a British Colony, didn't work before or after ...See More
      Sunday at 5:21pm · 
    • Tame Affectivision Hone used to be in the Maori Party right? and then split off....
      Sunday at 5:43pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate To the angry left. So- close all the businesses ? Don't trust anyone in business? It's total crap to suggest those in business are bad- they are the innovators of society and without them you would have nothing- living in the bush
      Sunday at 6:06pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate ‎5 RULES TO REMEMBER IN LIFE:
      1. Money cannot buy happiness but its more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.
      2. Forgive your enemy but remember the bastards name.
      3. Help someone when they are in trouble and they will remember you when they're in trouble again.
      4. Many people are alive only because its illegal to shoot them.
      5. Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.
      Sunday at 6:07pm ·  ·  1 person
    • Tame Affectivision Why do keep going on about closing all the businesses - Who has ever said that?
      Sunday at 6:08pm · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Just thought I would post it lol
      Sunday at 6:09pm · 
    • Anthony Williams 
      kia ora mai e kare ma! there are ten waka districts across the country!the ten chairs of each waka form the upper house of which meet and sit on the 28th of October! the process begins on the 28th of october every year and finishes the foll...See More
      Sunday at 6:14pm · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru No wonder you have the problems you do Maori. On this post you have a white redneck commanding it with his Uncle Tom brothers in support. They are here to spin your support for their pakehatanga that preaches maintainenance of the current status quo, and they appear to be succeeding, if your silence is an indication.
      Sunday at 8:40pm · 
    • Kim Te Tua ‎@Chris its a DNA thing, one will never understand our worldview and thats that. Dress it up as u will throw whatever at us but blood is thicker than stone. Wow! anyways I loved John's comments couldn't of said it better. Good goal setting for Constitutional change!! Mana Motu Hake!
      18 hours ago · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate So the suggestion is pretend being stubborn and staunch is the winner or do we use the brain and simply suggest those who run government- the judges and politicians are accountable to a fiduciary standard ? Too many fly blind with some mad belief things will be ok. That what they thought in Africa and look at the bloodbath and idiots fat catting themselves.
      18 hours ago · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru 
      Chris because you are white trash who believes you have a mandate to rule the world, does not equate to brains you idiot. .... Your fiduciary argument retains merit as rationale, but doesn't hold water in terms of known universal principles of management, simply because you cannot enforce goodwill upon the human condition you moron. .....Being a rev head gives you no accreditation in management nor leadership, it probably isn't even credible for selling used cars. .....But the underlying issue with your attitudes is simply you are a racist you pillock!
      18 hours ago · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate I would just love a few rounds in the ring with you bigoted idiot- still waiting to see your career cv - the fact you have not posted it just proves you are a fake with a big mouth
      15 hours ago · 
    • April Taikato wow its Mr wingate I saw that fight you had with woody from matakana I told him to say sorry to you. why all the angry words between you to???
      15 hours ago · 
    • April Taikato Maori parliament is the way it should be power to the tangata whenua of the land not the invader occupyers
      15 hours ago · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru 
      ‎5 minutes in the ring with me? You're not only a moron you're a dreamer aren't you? The competence I have demonstrated in deconstructing your shallow bullshit is all that's required on these social media pages dickhead. Queensbury rules at10 paces is an obsolete colonial custom, but consistent with your racist bigotry, although I may be tempted to consider such rubbish in your case, without the baggage it implies, nor the rules, consistent of your lack of integrity. You may think you're safe in racist Aotearoa throwing your weight around, but for arseholes alike you Wingate, that paradigm is coming to an end.
      15 hours ago · 
    • April Taikato Katahi nei te poroheahea koe Hoeroa
      15 hours ago · 
    • April Taikato Now that I have taken time to read Mr Wingates coments where did he say something that was racist Hoeroa? and where is your cv ? come on put up or shut up. and what does fiduciry mean ?
      14 hours ago ·  ·  1 person
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru Hey April, you can't understand the terminology, nor the dynamics of the racist abuse this sleaze is promoting, but you reckon you can tell me what to do. Why don't you get a facelift to go with your frontal labotomy you pakeha suck up!
      14 hours ago · 
    • April Taikato My whanua sent me something ################ Robert Marumaru##########DOB/16/04/1954################################ Holland Park###################################################### Te Aupouri: Nga Puhi##########################################idiot####not accredited AIM##########
      11 hours ago · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru That's your face we expected to see from the criminality of you and your cohorts April. Too dumb for your own good eh? Expect a visit from the law.
      10 hours ago · 
    • Hoeroa Robert Marumaru Anyone who knows me knows your information is bullshit, but its close enough to get you charged.
      10 hours ago · 
    • Christopher Mark Wingate Dickhead confirmed
      2 hours ago · 
    • April Taikato Hoeroa Katahi nei te poroheahea koe...... Its fools like you that make me ashamed to be of the same blood. Upoko kohua e kai nga tutae me e mate! Hoihoi Te reo maori e mate, te tangata maori e tino kino !!!
      about a minute ago · 
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