Annette Sykes
Hit or miss... Maori rights cant be ignored
Crown's 'king hit'
www.stuff.co.nz
Maori moves to block state asset sales look set to fail if
the Government can convince the High Court that ministers are simply
implementing the will of Parliament.
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Sandra Mclean well
of course they a implementing the will oF parliament THEY ARE NOT HOWEVER
IMPLEMENTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE !
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· 8 hours ago
Jakh Heremia the
will of the people won't be considered if the TPPA is signed
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· 8 hours ago
Jens Mueller Hmmm,
wasn't Parliament voted in BY THE PEOPLE? Shouldn't this grievance be addressed
at the polling box rather than at Court?
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· 7 hours ago
Kim Holloway I
fear this judge has already made up his mind
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· 7 hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
who pays the judge's salary?
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· 7 hours ago
Huhana Hickey One
million did not vote, the will of the people is broken and hope is lost
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hours ago
Anastasia Henare
Can the people call for an early election. If the politicians can call for a
"no confidence" vote - what about the people? Get hoha, these people
promise so much, start off with a hiss and a roar and then find out they don't
need to listen after a couple of years getting the perks. The double edged
sword rearing its ugly head to suit the government. Sell, sell, sell - its okay
we can take more from the Maori.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Well,
if you get a low voter turnout then fix that problem by engaging with those
people. You can;'t just presume they didn't vote because they didn't like what
is going on. Maybe they didn't vote because they are perfectly happy with what
is going on???
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hours ago
Jens Mueller
Judges are completely independent in NZ with effectively lifetime appointments.
Their budget is not subject to parliamentary oversight and intrusion, and so
who pays a judge is irrelevant. We have many, many examples where judges make
orders against Governments, even sitting Prime Ministers (Fitzgerald versus
Muldoon), and so the insinuation that this judge does anything other than his
job, is sad.
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· 7 hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
@ jens mueller - thanks for the clarification - I am afraid my synical mind was
working overtime...
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· 7 hours ago
Jakh Heremia the
court may rule, but the Government decides - if the TPPA is signed, just say
GOODBYE!
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Say
Good Bye to what? The TPPA has incredible riches attached for our exporters
which will flow through our communities as well as the current Fonterra payouts
already do...
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
I did not vote and I do not vote because I do not believe any of the scum in
the house are worth voting for. I love NZ/A - and I love the diverse people of
NZ/A but I hate the government and I hate politicians. I dont live in NZ/A
because of them.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Well,
if you don't buy a ticket to the show, you can't really bitch about it then,
can you?
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hours ago
Jakh Heremia
RICHES, YOU WERE QUICK TO POINT OUT - riches for who? Fonterra is against this
TPPA
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· 7 hours ago
Huhana Hickey Most
who didnt vote were poor, english second language, Maori and Pacifika youth,
unemployed and have therefore lost hope and a sense of any belonging to the
electoral process and no matter how hard you try, you cant make them believe in
a system that has screwed them over so much they have given up hence the high suicide
rate and the high rate of Maori leaving for Oz
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· 7 hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
@ Jens Mueller - I do not agree with you at all. You are saying I should buy a
ticket for a show I already know is shit, NO THANKS
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· 7 hours ago
Jens Mueller
Ricjes for those in this country who work their butts off to get ahead, to
employ others and to create incomes for their companies (the vast majority of
which flows into the communities through taxes and spending)...
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· 7 hours ago
Jens Mueller No,
what I am saying is, that if you do not participate in the political system
(hard to do for you not living here and being a bystander) you cannot critizise
it because you did not do your part to change it.
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· 7 hours ago
Jakh Heremia Where
is the alternative - LABOUR - yes men (eventually) MAORI PARTY - dysfunctional
GREEN PARTY - sitting on the fence
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· 7 hours ago
Jens Mueller
Fonterra is hugely interested in access to the North American markets for their
dairy products. Currently agricultural subsidies keep us out of this market
which by itself is worth more than $1.6 Billion a year...
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
@ Huhana Hickey - what you have said is true. But there are people like me who
are Uni educated etc and who have also become disolussioned with NZ/A politics
and politicians.
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· 7 hours ago
Jens Mueller The
only way forward is to do what the Maori party is already doing, and that is to
work constructively with a National Government that so far has steered the
country to a very very soft landing, when compared to most other OECD
countries.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Well,
if you are uni-educated, then maybe you could get the spelling of complicated
words correctly!
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
@ Jens Mueller - That doesnt help me. (I stopped voting many years ago when I
was still living in NZ/A) Why should I vote for something that I do not want.
My options are 1 pile shit or another pile of shit - again No thanks
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· 7 hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
@ Jens Mueller - No disrespect to you but if spelling is your issue - We have
nothing more to say to each other.
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· 7 hours ago
Jens Mueller I
just picked up on your self-grandizing comment of being uni-educated. Don't
open up doors if you don't want people to walk through...
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
ps have you heard of dyslexia. And you missed the point about being Uni
educated
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
and typos
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
my point was that even some educated people have lost hope...
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
oh, and I am sorry if it came accross as 'self-grandizing' it was not the
intention.
Like · Reply · 6
hours ago
Carrie Stoddart The TPPA is not a general free
trade agreement only a very small part of the agreement relates to trade. It
has a meta-regulatory framework designed to benefit corporations and limit the
rights of citizens in the host state.
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Jens Mueller Well,
having seen the original and currently negotiated text of the TPPA, this isn't
quite an accurate statement. Many countries, not just NZ, have issues with what
the US corporates wish to see as part of the final TPPA, and it is pretty clear
that they are not getting all they want, and we will not be getting all we
want. That's the way multi-country agreements are developed.
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· 6 hours ago
Jens Mueller Well,
Warrick, losing hope is not an acceptable excuse for not taking up the offered
chance to make the system work better for you and others, who might share your
views. Bystander cheap shots are not helpful. You could use your considerable
energy to help bring about a change, so rather than growing a wish bone, grow a
back bone!
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
no comment. I am not going to resort to cheap abuse.
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· 6 hours ago
Jens Mueller I am
never cheap!
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hours ago
Kim Holloway Talk
is cheap
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· 6 hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
I really dont want to get ito a tit for tat argument but you are telling me I
should vote for somebody I dont want.
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· 6 hours ago
Carrie Stoddart
well Jens, if you've seen the original and the currently negotiated text that
must mean you're at the table and have a vested interest in its implementation,
since the deal is being done in private and the rest of us aren't allowed to
know the trade offs until 4 years after its been signed.
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Kane Davis This
country is Maori Land, sovereign nation , any decisions made that affect effect
this country needs to go through and be passed or not by Maori.
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hours ago
Kane Davis Trust
me , Maori and some other non Maori have this countries best interests at
heart.
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hours ago
Kane Davis Can't
eat money.
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· 6 hours ago
Jens Mueller Well,
that certainly is not the law of the land now, but if you wish to change that,
there is a political process to do so.
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hours ago
Carrie Stoddart Oh
I see, Jens is Director of Pharmac. John Key has said no TPPA unless Pharmac
included.
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· 6 hours ago via
mobile
Kane Davis hahaha
, says who?... whos political process?
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hours ago
Kane Davis
everyone has different ways to get the same thing done .
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Look,
you need to deal with these issues in a reality, not in a dream world.
Like · Reply · 6
hours ago
Kane Davis Maori
aint a dream , thats your problem.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller You
are confusing the outcome you wish to see with the process to get there. Every
kid wants to fly, but you don't jump off a cliff, you take flying lessons...
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hours ago
Kane Davis This
country was stolen by thieves, and is currently being governed by them . How is
that confusing?
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Not
all Maori seem to believe this, as they are quite successfully participating in
the political arena, so as entitled you are to your opinion, it seems to be one
of a minority.
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hours ago
Kane Davis Just
like all things precious , we are.
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hours ago
Robertdavid
Burnett JENS THE NAME IS IT SOUTH AFRICAN......WONDERING...
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· 5 hours ago
Huhana Hickey I
have a PhD Warwick so highly qualified but unemplyed as my disabilities exclude
me from most employers who have attitudes against us
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· 5 hours ago
Jens Mueller No,
Jens is a nordic name.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller
Huhana, are you saying employers have an attitude against Maori, or against
people with disabilities, or both?
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hours ago
Kane Davis Haha ,
this guy! fully rascist.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller No,
it's a valid question.
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hours ago
Kane Davis What
ever
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hours ago
Kane Davis I like
you Jens, you remind of all the racist Kids i grew up with . You really are
funny.
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hours ago
Huhana Hickey I
was advised by a member of the business round table they would never employ
both so yes I a, saying both, my experience since receiving my PhD has been
that its either because I am Maori or because of my disabilities or both and no
not directly its the indirect discrimination that is obvious the rest is subtle
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hours ago
Huhana Hickey its
done in other ways such as saying thanks but. No thanks
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Ok,
that would indeed be sad. I know many of our superb Maori MBA graduates and
several PhD graduates, and they seem to have few issues finding very
challenging roles in business.
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· 5 hours ago
Huhana Hickey Im
recognised internationally in my field but not in NZ was never given any chance
to get a lectureship etc whereas others with less were offered the work, I am
told I am a good lecturerer and should be working in that field but no one will
employ and I am not alone in that..but at my age now I have lost hope as I am
now fast being regarded as too old as well so I cant win aye? I am in the
community though too Jens and I have seen the result of unemployment in the
form of suicides, mental health relapses and psychosis and my entire whanau
except me moving to Oz to get the jobs they cant get in NZ
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hours ago
Alison Withers You
only have to read his profile to see where his loyalties lie. Nuf said.
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· 5 hours ago
Huhana Hickey Oh
and Jens it was Waikato University who shafted me after my PhD was complete and
I taught in management school wth 99% of my Asian students saying I made them
do critical thinking in a way they finally understood and where before they
didnt like essays by the end of my lessons they all grew academically and with
good critical thinking in both contract law and business ethics
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· 5 hours ago
Kane Davis "
I know many assimilated Maori MBA graduates and several assimilated PhD
graduates, and they seem to have few issues finding very challenging roles in
"our" system.
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· 4 hours ago
Witi TeHaara yes
makes u wonder richest an poorest BLOOD DIAMOND GEE
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Jens Mueller Kane,
I don't think it is appropriate to insult Maori because they have achieved
academically what you have not.
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hours ago via mobile
Jens Mueller
Huhana, that doesn't sound right at all. We are desperately short of effective
business school teachers.
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hours ago via mobile
Kane Davis What
happenend to my right to an opinion?....
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hours ago
Kane Davis Look up
Kupapa , Jens, Google it.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller
Opinions do not include slander
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hours ago via mobile
Kane Davis You'd
try teach a fish to breathe under water and think you're helping it.
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hours ago
Kane Davis
Hahhaha!!! Slander? Where? Hahahhaa!
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hours ago
Warrick Wok Brown
how is stating the opinion that some Maori graduates have assimilated slander?
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· 4 hours ago
Lance McC
"will of Parliament" what about the "will of the people"
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hours ago
Kane Davis An
opinion is anything that comes from me . Anything you wanna call it is your
opinion, i call it a progression of the evolution of expressive consciousness.
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· 4 hours ago
Kane Davis I'm all
for academic achievement. After all whos gonna listen to a Maori without it?
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· 4 hours ago
Kane Davis Funny
how clever and stupid educated people can be.
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· 4 hours ago
Kane Davis The
very people that rule the world, cleverly stupid.
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller So
why would you denigrate educated Maori? They go through an incredibly journey
of breaking away from a much easier life they could have in their whanau and
make superb sacrifices to learn and educate themselves, for the betterment of
their people.
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· 4 hours ago
Lance McC a degree
in what ever, does not mean a person is either educated or intelligent. just
the same as a lack of one or an inability to spell well etc does not indicate
the opposite.
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· 4 hours ago
Robertdavid Burnett
ithink jens is quite onto it ...blunt way of saying things..but not quite
racist..yet.....
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller I
spend a considerable amount of my time, as a donation, to help Maori leaders
become more effective, and I take no joy in seeing their own people try to drag
them back with such polemic arguments that are purely emotional and intended to
hold back progress from which all maori could benefit.
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller Lance,
this isn't about a specific degree. This is about advancing a cause, and you
can only do that if you understand how to craft, sell and then implement an
argument. Talking about Maori being aggrieved or disadvantaged is cheap and
sensational, but getting onto your bike and doing something about it is where
the true action lies.
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hours ago · Edited
Kane Davis You
need a serious history lesson Jens. You've walked into a trilogy and you're
watching the end of the last movie asking someone to catch you up on the first
two.Question , are you from here?
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· 4 hours ago
Huhana Hickey Well
it is Jens, I then moved to Auckland for better opportunties only to now be
stuck in a cycle of poverty. I am a human rights lawyer by choice but yes would
teach other topics as requried as for being assimilated well I am an indigenous
rights lawyer which makes it even more specific so it makes it very hardw to
find work although it doesnt mean I dont do other things I have done family
law, business law etc but I dont practice now as its too expensive and cant
afford it. So I research when I can and stay close to my community so I stay
informed and real. i havent lost sight of community. I left Waikato because of
alleged discrimination at law school Jens, it was an abusive environment that
has sme people who go on the attack when a wahine with a brain is there also as
for law firms, they dont generally like to employ disabled I have been told
directly by them on that too, so in a catch 22 really.
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hours ago · Edited
Lance McC i find
it funny that if you can do something very well and have a massive knowledge on
the subject (like say computing or digital art etc) but do not have a degree
from university because you are self taught and did not have the time or money
to go to university, then according to employers (and often other people) you
are uneducated and unskilled and can not do that sort of work. But if you have
a degree but do not really know what you are doing or how to do that sort of
work, you are educated. I have taught many university graduates how to do what
they went to university to learn and got a degree in and got 'educated', yet i
am the one not 'educated' and very unlikely to get a job working for someone
else (not myself) in the field these degree qualified people are working in
even though thaey really know nothing.
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· 4 hours ago
Huhana Hickey I
agree Lance a degree is no measure of intelligence at all, I know many learning
disabled all regarded as dumb who show more intelligence than some so called
scholars
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller
Lance, no one will ever argue with ability, and it makes no difference to me if
you learned at uni or from a Malaysian Tree Frog, but learned you must have.
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hours ago
Jens Mueller
Huhana, that does sound odd indeed. Our law school has one of the highest Maori
participation rates, and nearly all of our Maori graduates are snapped up
before they even finish their studies... There must be something else going on
here that interfered.
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hours ago
Lance McC other
thing i find crazy is the way people take about the Treaty of Waitangi being
this countries founding document. It is not. The founding document is the one
that declared Aotearoa to be an independent nation and was ratified by one of
the biggest/greatest empires of the time (England). That document is the
Declaration Of Independence, fives years before the treaty.
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hours ago
Kane Davis @ Lance
, the qualified person gets the job because if he makes a mistake while practicing,
its a qualified mistake. The world we live in.
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hours ago
Huhana Hickey I am
one Maori lawyer Kane who is taking on the Govt, and so is Annette, we may do
it differently but why do you think I cant get a government job? I challenge
them too much and for that there is a penalty
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hours ago
Jens Mueller Well,
look, to be reasonable. If you attack the very institution you then ask for a
job, you are not making yourself the ideal candidate, including loyalty and
fidelity to your employer, are you? Let's not get totally nuts here. If I had
an applicant come and ask me for a job and in the same breath tell me they hate
everything I do, I'd cut that interview real short. And, speaking purely as a
lawyer, there is absolutely a demand for good lawyers in NZ.
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hours ago
Lance McC yep he
is qualified to be an idiot and a qualified mistake is ok. Look at a lot of our
laws, or if a investment banker makes a 'mistake' that is ok nevermind the damage
it does.
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· 4 hours ago
Huhana Hickey Not
Maori disabled Jens, I was the first Maori woman to get a PhD in law there and
the. First disabled person there to get my LLB, LLm (dist) and PhD in Law and
tikanga Maori, they did not want me there even my chief supervisor conceded
there was discrimination against me it almost destroyed me at the time I had to
transfer to the SMPD where I was fully supported until I graduated. no the law
school may as you say but its akso abusive if you challenge a certain Maori
male at rhe law school he will attack you until he gets rid of you, I had to
take him to human rights during my studies and since then I was targeted,
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller
Lance, the Treaty superceded the Declaration and thus subsumes it.
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hours ago
Huhana Hickey
anyway not prepared to say anymore about it
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller So
those financial company leaders who are now sitting inn jail should not have
been jailed?
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hours ago
Kane Davis
Definately Hahana. Beautiful. I would've loved to be , do just that. Maybe
change your name to Susanna Hickey? Please i'm not trying be funny.
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hours ago
Lance McC never
said anything about telling an employer i hate everything about them, you made
that up
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller Look
Huhana, I can appreciate you are aggrieved, but there is clearly much more to
the story than your side. In one breath you are describing your superb
credentials in the other you voice strongly held anti-institutional beliefs.,
and some disablements clearly affect performance more than others, so this is a
debate we cannot really have as we don't have both sides of the story, do we?
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hours ago
Huhana Hickey Its
ok my legal name is Susan, my Maori name was a taonga given to me by a long
passed kuia at Parihaka who taught me more about myself than my own whanau so
even the name doesnt make a difference Kane, they see me, they dont want to
know
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· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller
Lance, this was directed at Huhana who says she cannot get a Government job
because she argues the Government is not working.
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hours ago
Lance McC loyalty
is a 2 way street, employers see no need now days to be loyal to staff no
matter how loyal they have been to the employer.
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2
· 4 hours ago
Jens Mueller That
is a huge generalization that certainly does not do credit to those many
employers who create an engaged work force by being collaborativelv and
inclusive. You need a much bigger soap box so that facts don't ruin your
story...
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· 4 hours ago
Cliff Royal Jens,
incorrect, first in time , best in law, Te Tiriti was an amendment.Queen
Victoria did not have the jurisdiction and or authority to over ride a prior
sovereigns edicts. Regardless , Maoridom has Te Whakaputunga & Te Tiriti
& Te Ture Whenua Maori, Maori Land Act 93 since amended. Review the pre
amble. What exactly do those 3rd party interlopers residing in Poneke have as a
basis, evidencing their presumption??? diddly squat. Under contractual law, only
Principals , hereditary heirs and successors to those signatories of Te
Whakaputunga & Te Tiriti have any authority to comment on such matters ( Im
one ) anyone else may be deemed an interloper.
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· 4 hours ago ·
Edited
Lance McC Sounds
like Jens is a supporter of the racist antiMāori John Ansell
http://johnansell.wordpress.com/
John Ansell
johnansell.wordpress.com
Truth matters
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· 4 hours ago
Huhana Hickey Jens
what you are hearing is years of working with government as an advisor only to
be shat on so no its not the full story as you see it, and there is more to it,
I challenge what is wrong, i acknowledge what is right but will alwys challenge
abuses against other humans. No its not the full story but I will argue its not
working for disabled Maori who are identified as the most deprived and
marginalised of all groups in NZ by policy decisions, and discrimination from
Maori and non Maori both so its much more complex than any facebook
conversation.
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hours ago
Huhana Hickey Jens
all the mahi I am given is completed to a high standard and only affected by a
lack of resourcing, I pick up what work I can and my reputation around my work
is that it is good work. how I do the work is arnd my disability, I need
flexible environments thats all but my work is always done, on time and its
good work
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· 4 hours ago ·
Edited
Sue Murray @ Jens
Mueller I am so glad that you are not my friend on FB or in real life :-(
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· 4 hours ago
Huhana Hickey I
have to agree with Cliff Royal, we never did cede sovereignty and the
declaration in line with the Treaty has relevance.
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· 4 hours ago
Kane Davis Go
getem Cliff.
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hours ago
Lance McC yep.
Declaration Of Independence is the first document, and the one that founded the
country and was acknowledged by the Queen , therefore Aotearoa was recognized
as an independent country, 5 years later a treaty was formed with NO input from
Māori as to the wording or content, for trade reasons. The Declaration Of
Independence also staed that Māori would make the laws, yet the British stopped
that from happening and imported their own laws.
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hours ago
Cliff Royal King
William 1V :)
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· 4 hours ago
Kane Davis I like
you Cliff, here we go!!
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hours ago
Cliff Royal more
like King Bluff:)
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· 3 hours ago
Jens Mueller Ok,
so what do you suggest as a practical way forward?
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hours ago via mobile
Kane Davis Jens
gapped it when you turned up Cliffy.
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Kane Davis
Acknowledgement of the declaration of Indepence.
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hours ago
Lance McC I see
Jens works for Waikato Universiy Management school and works for
"Governments worldwide" http://www.penneylaneonline.com/2012/04/23/jens-mueller-associate-professor-at-waikato-management-school-company-director/
Jens Mueller:
Associate Professor at Waikato Management School, Company Director
www.penneylaneonline.com
Jens Mueller
provides professional services to leaders, entities and Governments...See More
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hours ago
Jens Mueller And
what would that acknowledgment d
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hours ago via mobile
Jens Mueller Do?
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hours ago via mobile
Lance McC Just
making sure people are aware your loyalty is with "Governments
worldwide" not the New Zealand people or even New Zealand at all.
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· 3 hours ago
Jens Mueller Yes,
Lance, and since this is on my profile here I wouldn't give up my day job yet
and become a sleuth, if I were you...
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hours ago via mobile
MissLoral Lee Can
you not prove unextinguishable native title Annette? c'mon....
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hours ago
Lance McC no
intention of doing so. a least i am not resorting to petty insults
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· 3 hours ago
Jens Mueller
Where's your sense of humour?
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hours ago via mobile
Kiri Tipene myt
have to get another judge looks like hes siding with the govt b4 the case even
starts
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· 3 hours ago
Lance McC
interesting that people called out for insulting others then say "where's
your sense of humour?" as if insaulting people is funny
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· 3 hours ago
Jens Mueller I
thought this was very funny and not insulting at all
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Jens Mueller Most
employers understand well that an engaged work force is more productive. Its
simple math!
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Lance McC I also
see that your zero knowledge of New Zealand history is likely the reason you
think the situation of Māori today is funny. you think the way Māori were
treated should be just treated as a big joke and everyone should move on and
ignore the fact that Māori were denied their right to govern this country as
stated in the Declaration Of Independence. You are not even a New Zealander or
read or understood any New Zealand history yet you think you know what is best
for the savages, when actually you are looking at the issue from the angle that
white european races are superior to any other and anything bad they did in the
past should be forgotten and we should move. this is part of your genetic
disposition to think that dark skinned peoples are savages and should never
have a say in running their own country. This idea did not go well for Germans
that thought this way 70 years ago.
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Kevin Garland No
the simple Math is profits before people..!!
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Jens Mueller No,
Kevin, that is a very short term approach and not at all sustainable
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Jens Mueller
Lance, they must have made a mistake then when they printed up a NZ passport
for me, oh my!
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Jens Mueller I
have never heard a Maori refer to themselves as savages. What a disgrace!
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Kevin Garland Jens
how long you been in NZ..?? you obviously have no idea on how the
infrastructure of business in NZ work.
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Lance McC British
refereed to them as savages, read some history. Re passport, getting
citizenship is not the same as born in New Zealand especially when you claim
"Frankfurt, Germany" as your "Hometown" hometown indicates
place you were born and brought up.
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Marewa Oterangi
There is very little about the New Zealand propaganda machine that has any
democratic principles attached to it.
Giving people five
minutes every four years to tick boxes beside the names of people they do not
trust is nothing but a posturing sham.
There is no
freedom in New Zealand, it is a Police State, supported by a mega-dollar
propaganda machine designed to keep the congregation believing they have it
sweet, when all we are doing is making it sweet for those who do not deserve
it.
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Marewa Oterangi
just added that in the discussion..interesting discussion it is too.. moreover
the fact that as said already..one million people decided for whatever reason
not to vote last election... reasons being varied...!
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Jens Mueller 20
years, Irvin
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Jens Mueller
Thanks, Lance, I didn't know there were two classes of citizens here, sad to
gear that.
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Jens Mueller
Marewa. We vote every 3 years, not 4.
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Lance McC so not
really a New Zealander, not born here.
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Marewa Oterangi
oops sent it in too quickly..yes three..mistake but you get the gist!
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Kevin Garland Jens
i guess growing up and coming from a former Nazi regime who had to live under
an MMP system put their by the United Nations to stop dictators like Hitler
from ever forming another Government in your country ever again and which
doesn't help your cause or educate you in a democratic society like ours.
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Jens Mueller So
Maori born overseas are not real?
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Kevin Garland
Whats Maori born overseas got to do with this thread..??
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Marewa Oterangi We
do not live in a democracy, we live in an elected oligarchy, if we lived in a
democracy, everyone would have an equal say in their rights, which is far from
the case.
We are currently
governed by a Party that has only 30% of the population in it's support. There
is absolutely nothing democratic about that, it is the rich controlling the
poor, forcing legislation that is oppressive upon those who least deserve it.
Anyone who
believes that New Zealand is a democracy has been brainwashed as to the meaning
of the word. ( less than 30 percent now to be honest )
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Kevin Garland It
was a figure of speech Marewa.
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Lance McC "
didn't know there were two classes of citizens here" shows you know
nothing looking down from your tower of wealth that protects you from the real
world and means you can avoid the poor and oppressed. We have the same 3
classes england has always had, very wealth, middle class and poor. the wealthy
work hard to keep the poor at that level, poor. The wealthy are more inclined
to consider Māori as different because of their races than middle classes or
the poor.
A Māori born in
say England is still a Māori by blood, if they are aware of their culture and
language you could even say they are culturally Māori. But they are not white
european englishmen. It is who you whakapapa to, not just where you were born.
But the point i made is you are not born in New Zealand, so no matter what the
passport you bought as a wealthy businessman wanting to work at a New Zealand
university to brainwash New Zealanders into thinking like Germans, you are not
a New Zealander, you do not know anything about New Zealand history or involved
culturally. your loyalties are to your country of birth were your ancestors
were also born (the country and people you whakapapa to).
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Marewa Oterangi
pai ana tera! Maori as tangata whenua should have the say in what is rightfully
ours lore...however laws designed beyond our Tupuna have been entrenched into
this parliamentary system ..ad nauseum..whether Maori are at the
"table" or not...so if people are not going to vote... what is the
alternative .was the point of the comments posted ....nga mihi kia koutou
katoa...! other than Jens pointing out my earlier "figure 4"
error...aroha mai ( lol)
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Lance McC yep, it
is interesting that the Declaration of Independence stated Māori would come
together once a year to makes laws, but the British stopped that ever happening.
Māori have never been allowed to created any laws for this country or have any
great input the laws of this country. Māori MPs may have put some laws into the
ballot box, but have never made the laws as stated in the Declaration of
Independence or even close to it.
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Jens Mueller Gee,
I am not even in the highest tax bracket, so once I'll get wealthy, I look
forward to getting all these benefits you talk about.
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Jens Mueller I am
amazed at these cheap generalizations you throw out. It seems so argumentative
without any specific foundations.
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Jens Mueller What
a shocker to declare a new class of citizens because they were not born on the
soil, which would deny all overseas born Maori your first class citizenship.
What an insult.
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Lance McC So you
say the Declaration of Independence is not a specific foundation? you need to
read New Zealand history. Start by reading the Declaration of Independence.
Then look at have we ever had a Māori priminister? no. have we ever had a
parliament made up of 75% maori MPs? no, never mind the fact that our
parliament has never been 100% Māori MPs/rangatira/chiefs as stated/promised in
the Declaration of Independence. these are undisputed facts.
I only stated 3
classes of people, Wealthy, middle class, and poor. Also a person is either
born here, or not born here, or born elsewhere of New Zealand born parents. you
are not born here and have no ancestors born her so therefore you are not a New
Zealander. You may hold a New Zealand passport, but that could actualuy be
taken off you by immigration if they had good cause to bane you from the
country, this can not be done to a person born in New Zealand.
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Kevin Garland Ae
tika tau, ko te Maori lore te mea nui,engari i tango ake mai i nga pakeha
kuare, me huri ke i te pakeha Law no nga kawanatanga i te timatatanga tae noa
ki enei ra, and yes if people dont vote then they should'nt complain, but that
will never happen either, and Donkey and his henchmen would be happy with that
knowing that many of our people are not voting, which means less votes for Hone
or the Maori Party. Mauri ora...
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Lance McC National
put a lot of effort into making sure those that are likely to vote against them
(ie the poor). This is done mostly by taking away hope, and giving the poor the
feeling their vote does not count. figures show that if every perosn that can
vote turned up and voted each time, National would never get back into power.
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Jens Mueller
National is in power because Maori support them, not because if a system
deficiency.
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Kevin Garland Not
all Maori support them Jens, your a dreamer mate..!!
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Lance McC Correct
Kevin, very few Māori support National compared to say Greens, Mana, Labour.
Even The Māori Party is loosing support because of their actions re supporting
National.
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Kevin Garland Many
Maori get confused on who to vote for, many dont trust politicians and their
rhetorical policies and many just cant be bothered.
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Kiri Tipene wata
krok of shit jens u sound like a businessman who votes for national, oh u are
typical maybe u should try walking in other peoples shoes or fully understand a
culture b4 you comment about them,
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Jens Mueller Well,
if you believe voters need to be educated then you are able to do so and should
do. No one stops you.
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Kiri Tipene and we
have to listen to a lakky like you, u dont have to be educated to vote, just
need to see the big picture, which in my opinion is how can you trust a govt
who dont listen to the people, thats i support mana party koz they listen and
help
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Lance McC
interesting thing is that Māori have different expectations from their MPs. Big
amoung these is the idea that an MP (no matter what party) votes in parliament,
for what the people (majority thereof) want (true representation of the people
of his area), not what the party he/she belongs to tells him to vote. This is
not the normal way of voting in parliament now, most noticeably with National.
Example, Hamilton has 2 National MPs, but these MPs always support things the
people do not. They do not find out what the people want in any way, they vote
the way John Key tells them to. On the other hand, a Māori MP following more
traditional ways of representing his people will consult with his people before
voting.
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Lance McC He tika
to kōrero a Kiri
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Kevin Garland
Because many cant be "BOTHERED" where as the rest of us who do vote
keep up with the play, as the saying goes "Keep your friends close (the
people, the voters) but keep your enemy's closer" (the national party) our
people are aware of them and the damage they can do and have already done.
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Kevin Garland
Incidently Jens, should'nt you be back in your "OWN" country helping
your "OWN GOVERNMENT" and Angela Merkal your german chancellor put a
gun to Greece's head, before greece sends the EU in to a spiralling landslide
in to oblivion and ruin all the worlds economies.
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Jens Mueller How
do you know that I am not part of formulating strategies on that area?
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Jens Mueller Yes,
I share your concern that we have too few voters that bother about an election
outcome. That issue needs to be addressed
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Hona O Denise In
neo-liberal thinking, the term rights has an arbitrary value related to
personality. Hon Key knows already.
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Jens Mueller
Thanks, Kevin, but contrary to the earlier discriminatory suggestion that we
should value citizens differently based on where they are born, I quite
consider NZ to be my "own" country...
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